was thrilled to find your page! How cool. Obviously since I am writing
to you, I grew up listening to the station and to this day has some very
great memories for me. I can still remember grabbing a stack of the cards,
especially Don Cox and the Elton John picture from Caribou.
I love the T-Shirts and I am going to order one as soon as I get to my home computer. Any chance of getting the bumper stickers? Most of mine ended up on old bed frames etc that have long since gone.
I am currently working on a new cd with my band, The Damaged Pies, which seems to have taken a turn towards several of the songs revolving around that era of growing up. One of the songs I just finished writing is called 13Q. It is about a childhood friend and myself being turned on to the music of 13Q and Captain Fantastic and just how cool those days truly were."
... Steve Bodner (5/2/2008)
"Just stumbled onto this website today. Wow, the memories came flooding back. I was 12 in 1973, 13Q was my first music station. Sure, I listened to Ed -&- Wendy King's Party Line on KDKA and the Pirate -&- Penguin games, but music was just something that was in the background. When I discovered 13Q, that was when I realized that music was the soundtrack of my life.
I remember my friends and I hiking through the woods of Baldwin with our trusty transistor radios. We didn't even know that FM existed. The music, "Spirit In The Sky", "Low Rider", "We're An American Band", "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet", became our everpresent companions. It's where we cut our teeth on rock and roll!
I remember the goofy interview songs that were popular at that time, where the interviewer would ask some inane question and the response would be a clip from one of the popular songs of the day. I remember our lame attempts to create our own versions of these on Terry Walsh's tape recorder.
I remember how songs like "Guitarzan", "Spiders -&- Snakes", or "Dead Skunk" would crack us up everytime they came on. Songs such as "Uneasy Rider" and "Wildwood Weed" exposed us to a counter culture that we didn't even know existed in our white bread world. Whether it was playing baseball, building tree shacks, hunting for salamanders, 13Q was always with us.
I remember on days off from school, taking the 51D into Downtown Pittsburgh, for 20 cents each way mind you, going into the National Record Mart on Forbes Avenue to get our very own 13Q survey sheet. Those survey sheets, what a hoot! Those cool little cartoons that encircled the borders that everyone tried to imitate on their homework, much to the chagrin of our teachers! Hell, they even had song lyrics! How else could a kid of 12 or 13 find out that the words "Captain Midnight, we're gonna let it all hang out" was really "After Midnight..."
One of my aunts, God rest her soul, even won the cash call but answering her phone, "I listen to the new sounds of 13Q"!
Around '76 we finally discovered DVE -&- YDD. Probably driven there by the onslaught of disco! Almost 30 years doesn't diminish my fondness for that era. Music is still the soundtrack to our family lives. Every so often I see a survey sheet pop up on eBay. It never fails to bring a smile to my face.
Thanks Jeff. Thanks 13Q." Michael Bartus (4/7/2002)
"Great stuff everyone. I've enjoyed revisiting some great memories. I moved from afternoons at CKLW in Detroit to do afternoons at 13Q about two months after the station hit. Clearly, my best memories of 13Q are of the people. First, owner Cecil Heftel himself who set the tone and gave us all the freedom and support to be the innovative station we were.
Of course, Buzzy was the key. When he and I talked about the format before I came he said, as only Buzz Bennett could, "Heeeyyy maaann, 13Q is like a really big house maaann. You can go into any room you want maaann." He told the truth.
I especially remember and appreciate our morning men during my years at 13Q -- Sam Holman, Michael Meyer (Dineen), and my friend, Crazy Bob Mclain who I talked into coming to 13Q while I was P.D. I appreciated the music insight of Dennis Waters. Also, the team spirit of Earl "The Pearl" Lewis who was always game whether for late night conference room meetings or Booty Kicker basketball games. Jackson Armstrong, maybe America's greatest jock ever, and I had great fun with changeovers at 6PM as well as with the wild promotions we put together like the Snake Jungle, the world's roller coaster riding record, and "streaking" Pittsburgh when Jack did his show nude from our studio with two glass walls downtown on the second floor! I have great memories of fellow Aquarian Batt Johnson, a great guy with the most infectious laugh ever. Jessie did overnights on this staff before her New York stint. My memory is not totally clear but I think she came to the dressing room with us after Booty Kicker basketball games but never changed!
I mentioned some of our promotions above, but who could forget Aerosmith and Brownsville free for thousands in the park or the Boogie Barge "concert" which the morning newspaper described as one of the four biggest events in the history of the city. Many people have also told me they remember when the "Great Snatch" invaded Pittsburgh.
I rank the time I spent at 13Q among my personal career highlights. Thanks to all of you with whom I shared this time and to all of you who are still interested enough in 13Q to visit this site. I welcome email from old friends and listeners as well. I grew weary of "today's" radio in 1996 when I decided to get my MBA at Michigan State and I'm now a zone manager in field operations for Ford Motor Company.
... Eddie Rogers (11/17/2000)
"I think my dad is still mad at me for putting a 13Q bumper sticker on the tailgate of his 1968 fire red Chevy station wagon. He told me to take the sticker off the the Earl Schieb paint job came off with it.
... Doug Saltzman Pleasant Hills (08/01/2000)
"Jeff, I really enjoyed coming across you 13Q tribute. My time at 13Q spanned four and a half from Buzz, Tom Bigby,Eddie Rodgers, Bill Tanner, Dennis Waters, Buzz Brindle, Ray Zoller, to Bob Savage as PD's. Honestly I can tell you I learned so much from everyone I worked with at 13Q. I remember most everyone who has left their memories here fondly. I stay in touch with Jack Armstrong and have heard from Buzz Brindle. I have way too many memories to mention them all. But here are a few.
Jack Armstrong doing a promotion in Hornes" window filled with large snakes from the Zoo...and being bitten by one also Jack riding the thunderbolt for 3 days at Kennywood. Taking Michael Franks around to local swimming pools to hand out popsicles from the Armoured Q. John Travolta at the Monroeville mall and just making it back to the Armoured Q before the crowd caught us.
After 13Q, I worked with Joel Denver at 96X in miami then as Operations manager at WSNY and V97 in Jacksonville, Record World Magazine in LA then VP of Promotion Chrysalis Music. In 1983 I relocated to Pittsburgh studied Chemistry and work for Bayer Corp. Keep up the good
work." ... Jack Forsythe (5/11/2000)
"I am one of those guys no one ever remembers. I did the all night news with Jessie. Then I did weekends as a jock. An intersting kind of place. Sam Holeman did mornings, Earl "the Pearl" was there along with a whole bunch of Idiots... but GREAT Idiots. I remember being in the news room when someone emptied a fire extinguisher on me. My back was ice, but I didn't miss the story. Bat Johnson made a terrible mistake on the air... He tried to quote me and said the wrong thing... Ask him about it. Then Jessie and others got me a friend while I was doing an air shift. She was nice. Many things in Pittsburgh...many things. And the radio sounded great! 13Q Great station. ... Gary Drake in Alabama (5/2/2000)
"Ray Zoller, Cary Pall, Don Bombard, Greg Stevens, etc. No one can tune in ANY signal at 1320 and not think of 13Q. After 20 some-odd years that radio station still lives in our hearts. It's a shame those things don't last. Out west, you hear ethnic programming on LA's 930 (KHJ), KCBQ (1170) once San Diego's "13Q" is now a poor substitute for a talk station. KFRC may well still be simulcasting it's FM sister. Many of the names on those pages arepeople who taught me what I didn't know then - that it's the people who make the business and the station. 13Q had the formatics, but the passion of the people made it special. And in spite of the "business" ethic of the new millennium, many of these extremely talented folks are still doing what we love, talking on the radio and finding ways to take the technology and business challenges of the day and still make good radio. I LOVE what I'm doing now. I LOVE San Diego, and the Clear Channel SD group. But, if for just one week, we could relive those 13Q days I think we'd all rest a whole lot easier. We were all together for a very short time, but I think each and every experience (and there were many) taught us a whole lot. Thanks for the TONS of memories, Jeff-and congratulations to all of our former co-workers who are still making wonderful things happen in this business. ... Dave Mason (4/08/2000)
"Jeff, Found your 13Q tribute page and was blown away! I can now track down some of my former buddies from the old days thanks to you. One thing... that picture of me is from my "afro" period which, thankfully didn't last long but is memorialized forever on your page. Ouch. I have a different picture that more reflects my "image" during my 13Q days. I've scanned that in plus various other pictures which you are welcome to lift for your site if you wish. Since I was program director for a while during the transition from Heftel to Nationwide I wound up with a box of old promotional pictures from the early days of 13Q. Again feel free to use the pictures as you wish.
Also, please feel free to use the following for your memories page:
My memories of Pittsburgh started with my trip through the Ft. Pitt Tunnel not knowing that the city lay on the other side. What a shock. I fell in love with Pittsburgh and have very fond memories of it to this day. Some of the highlights, for me, of 13Q include: John "Vinnie Barbarino" Travolta's visit to 13Q, riding in a Allegheny County Sheriff's car from the old studios in Downtown to the new studios in Greentree while "Funeral for a Friend" by Elton John played on the radio. (When the song finished, we signed on at the new studios.) However, the times in downtown were the best memories of all because we could really connect to our listeners who drove by frequently. Also it was a gas having about a half a dozen general managers, about that many program directors (I was one of them) and meeting so many great radio people during my four-year stint at 13Q.
I traded emails with Rush Limbaugh back in 1993 - Rush used to work at KQV and he remembered how 13Q came to town and blew them into another format. Of course, WPEZ and others did the same thing to us.
I'm now living in Evergreen, Colorado and am a director in the Information Technology department at Qwest Communications in Denver. After Pittsburgh, I worked at KNUS-FM in Dallas and WOAI-FM/KJ97-FM in San Antonio before moving to Traffic Central and then Metro Networks in San Antonio (Traffic Reports). (I was director of operations for TC/Metro for 13 years). Metro transferred me to the Denver area where I plan to live until I die. (Until I transitioned to IT fulltime, I worked at KIMN-FM in Denver as morning news anchor.)
Thanks again for your work in preserving the memories of 13Q which was, for me, the peak of my radio career and also the peak of my "foolish youth." Good memories overall and am glad to have worked with some very talented people!! ... Ray Zoller Evergreen, Colorado (3/18/2000)
(check out the new page with Ray Zoller's pics ... Jeff)
"...and man, if I didn't feel old already! But who wouldn't agree that 13Q was a station that broke all the rules? An AM that rocked when FM had long since begun its stronghold in Pittsburgh and around the country. It's great to see that someone actually devoted a site to the preservation of one of the Pittsburgh's great radio stations. Who could forget Jim Quinn in AM drive with his quacking sound stager, and parodies of his like "Undercover Pothole", a spoof on Alan O'Day's "Undercover Angel"? I also had the honor of working with Vicki Yaklevich at what was then known as WEZE-FM (Easy 104.7...now 104.7 the Beat 9 years and five formats later). Wonderful person. I think more people will remember 13Q than they will ever remember WJAS." ... Ken Hawk, WJPA-FM Washington (3/15/2000)
"One of my most eerie radio memories is from 13Q during spring of 1978. While playing the long, unedited version of "Walk On The Wild Side" by Lou Reed, a lightning bolt took out a tree just outside the control room window in the back of the building on Crane Avenue ... right about the time old Lou was singing about a certain sexual favor ... I think the big guy upstairs was sending a message to us naughty 13Q jox ! I still have my "13Q-Ball" that they sent out as invitations to a client party in Fall of 77 ... miss working with Bombard, Greg Stevens, Barbara Boylan, Quinn, Ray Zoller, et al ... hope you are all doing well! ...
Cary Pall (3/06/2000)
Director Of Operations
Clear Channel Toledo
"Cary, It was great working with you too! ... Ray Zoller (3/19/2000)
"I worked at WKTQ as my first job after college. This would have been '76-'77. I was a less than successful sales rep for the station, but had a great time with the air staff. I'll never forget Don Bombard's Dog Party, Kelly Kristian showing me around the after hours clubs, meeting Minnesota Fats at the 13Q Ball, taking call's for the Sunday Night Oldie's show. I did a lot of artwork for sales presentations and station promotions. The Captain Q cartoon on the Jocks page is one of mine as was label artwork for Jim Quinn's "Undercover Pothole."
Steve Berger, the GM, steered me out of the place and into a career in advertising, which given my track record as an AM radio salesperson, was probably for the best. Still, I miss the old radio job from time to time. And I definitely miss the pack of lunatics who used to be my co-workers." ... Ed Dreistadt (9/19/99)
"How great to find this site...Many fond memories of so many of you..The Q' really did rumble the Burg...That was action!My best to you all...The North ... Leo (8/11/99)
"Hi, Jeff....just ba few quick thoughts re: the "Q"format and what it was about, atleast when I was at 13-Q. I had always been a jingle freak , I loved 'em, especially the PAMS stuff from Dallas. When I was hired to do mornings at 13-Q, I was at KROY in Sacramento, Ca. I had never heard the station before I got to Pittsburgh. I was very surprised to find no jingles. Eddie Rogers, who was the local station p.d. said that Buzzy was looking for as many ways as possible to seperate the sound of what 13-Q was doing from anything else on the dial. As I mentioned 13-Q was the first rocker to combine a number with a letter as it's logo. While KCBQ in san Diego ran jingles, this was a departure from what had been done on the coast. All the promos were tightly produced and voiced by an in house voice man (hired away from KQV!). The station had a number of different approaches to energy levels...all were pretty "up", but it depended on the jock. Each guy had his own individual style, Eddie Rogers in afternoon drive was very different from me...and Dennis Waters in midday was almost "FM" laid back at times..but still very hip. I was just "up" all the time, as was Big Jack. That must've been what they wanted, because they never said a word to me about how to do my show..just said here's the liner cards for the stuff to promote, read them here, here and here, and that was it. I was totally turned loose to do whatever I wanted. It was a station where everyone on the staff always listened to everyone else to see what they were doing, maybe spark some new ideas for your show. I think conceptually what Buzzy wanted was a high energy rocker with a very tight playlist that sounded much more "hip" than other AM top-40 stations of the time. Not using jingles was something I personally didnt like at first, but I came to see how it really seperated us from everyone else. It may not seem so now in retrospect, but it was a gutsy thing for Buzzy to try at the time. He never worried about taking a chance, he just did what he thought sounded best for what he was trying to accomplish." ... Bob McClain 7/12/99)
"I was blown away when I discovered your site. How in the world did you guys ever compile all those old surveys? Great stuff! I followed Sam Holman in as the morning drive jock. Ted Payne was my newsman. A great staff..Buzzy overseeing everything, Eddie Rogers as PD and Pm drive, Big Jack at night, then the Batman and Jessie overnights..Dennis the Menace did middays, then Earl the Pearl moved in there. I was prepared to dislike the 'burg and was amazed at the small town friendliness I found. I loved it there (but it was too damn cold!). I got out of radio in 1978 and did local tv news in Dallas, Washington,D.C., Atlanta and Memphis up until April of this year, when Clear Channel put an Oldies station on the air here in Memphis and re-animated me for mornings again. Havin a great time, and yes we can still Rock! Again, great site, thanks for the cruise back to the Q! ... Bob McLain in the Morning ... Your Breakfast Flake (7/11/99) (It's great to know Bob's back in radio, it is Memphis's gain !)
"Howdy.... 13Q/WSHH moved from Kossman Building (aka Kozmic Building) to Crane Avenue in July 1976. Remember Ray Zoller making the transition with police escort? They played Elton John's Funeral For A Friend Etc and he got to the new studio with 4 minutes to spare... BTW I was the first "13th caller" rip-off winner in the first hour at the new studio. A rush! .. Chauncey Ross (5/26/99) (Chauncey worked in Pittsburgh at WFFM, FM97. He was also my PD at WRUA in Monroeville. ... Jeff)
"I am in search of original 13Q airchecks , only from the first year. also in search of airchecks from the mighty 690 tijuana and Buffalo`s WYSL.Does anybody know what ever happened to the backup tape made hourly at 13Q ? please contact me ! ... Arnold Zlotnick (5/12/99)
"I can't recall who typed it out, but I remember reading that someone wasn't too thrilled with 13Q's and WSHH's move to Greentree in 1975, claiming the studios were "Cheap". In 1997, I was an intern at Renda Broadcasting. The first two months of the internship were the last two months that the stations were in that building. Even though the building was primitive and falling apart, I thought it was one of the most interesting places in Pittsburgh. The studios weren't cheap and things were pretty fun. I remember showing up at 4:30 AM when I would go in to write news, there was just something really neat about that place...which sits empty on Crane Avenue. The new studios are great too, but not as interesting as the other building!" ... Eric O'Brien (3/24/99)
"Hi Jeff, I have to tell you--I LOVED coming across the 13Q page while I was surfing the net! I'm not in radio, but 13Q was such a special station that I had to write and give you kudos on the page! I'm telling my age here (heck, I'm telling it by admitting I listened to 13Q), but back in the days when an AM/FM radio was a luxury, my parents gifted me with one on my ninth birthday. The first station I found? 13Q. For someone that had been brought up listening to the Beatles (my brother's generation) and the light, poppy crap of Petula Clark and Dionne Warwick (my sister's generation), it was a real pleasure to find a station I could call my own. My parents, of course, couldn't figure out why I was listening to such a radio station and made fun of it ("I can't understand what they're singing") but for me it was the greatest. I also collected the 13Q music sheets--and that's also part of the reason I'm writing. I saw on your page that you are looking for other photos of jocks that might have appeared on those sheets, and I think I can help. I was doing some basement cleaning and ran across a shoebox full of the things last weekend! I don't have a scanner right now, but I can try and get access to one if you're interested in some of the photos. If I can't get to a scanner, I'm sure we can work something out. I also have extras to many sheets from 1976 and 1977 if you know of anyone that's interested. Anyway, here are the ones that might be of interest to you:
Brother Al, circa 4/17/76 ... The Armored Q Van, 4/3/76 ... Brother Al, 11/15/75 (different photo) ... Cox and Franco Harris, 9/13/75 ... Tanner in the Morning, 7/5/75 ... Elton John and Coxontheradio, 6/28/75 ... Earl the Pearl, Dennis the Menace, and members of Lynyrd Skynyrd, 6/7/75 ... I also have some different photos of some of the jocks on earlier sheets. To top it off, I don't even think I've found all of the sheets I have, if you can believe that one! I especially thought it was a kick to see Jim Quinn's picture on the sheets--what a difference 25 years makes!
Talk to you later" ... Linda (3/23/99)
"I was wondering exactly when Tony Renda bought 1320 and 99.7. From the sound of things, he wasn't the one who took the stations to the Crane Avenue studios in Greentree. I know that he did change 13Q back into WJAS in the early 80's. He also kept the Easy Listening format on WSHH until 1989 and now with the soft rock. He also has moved them since to a new Greentree location. I know, I was an intern there during the move! ... Eric O'Brien (3/20/99)
(Eric has his own website ... Pittsburgh Radio TV (PBRTV)
"Tony Renda bought WJAS around 1981,82. Nationwide Communications moved the Q and WSHH in the late 70's to Greentree. Renda did buy WSHH from Nationwide. However, Benni Broadcasting bought WJAS from Nationwide. Beni was the one who changed the call letters back to WJAS and brought THE MUSIC OF YOUR LIFE format to Pittsburgh. It was about year later or so that Renda bought WJAS. During that transitioin period if you worked downstairs at WJAS you were not permitted upstairs (WSHH)after business hours." ... Ted Lewczyk (4/5/99)
"I remember well the 13Q logo contest, BECAUSE I ENTERED IT! In fact, the entry I submitted looked VERY similar to the one above, with only minor variations! I think I got a letter from the station saying that my entry in the logo contest was a "runner up". Close, but no cigar!
I do remember the notorious "answer the telephone" contest also! Lot's of parents were irate about that idea, as I recall!" ... Tom Atkins (2/25/99)
"You don't have an old "Dennis The Menace" survey posted. Dennis was the original music director and became program director in 1975. After Pittsburgh, I moved to New York to WNBC-AM and later to MTV during it's early years but my fondest memories are of The Burgh. ... Ronald E. "Buzz" Brindle (5/13/98) (I am still searching for other pics as well. If anyone has old 13Q surveys with pictures of jocks that I am missing let me know... Jeff)
"I just had a chance to look at your page...this is great! First, congrats to Jeff Roteman on this 'Net effort. Since I have my own Web site (http://bobshannon.com) I know how much work goes into it. I was the host of the Sunday Night Oldies Party, as some of you may recall, and from there, landed in New York City to work at the country's top oldies station: WCBS-FM. Shortly after ariving in the Big Apple, I underwent a name-change operation and became Bob Shannon -- so now, I respond to both "Don" and "Bob". Sometimes even Don/Bob. I'm still at CBS-FM after 17 years (!) doing afternoons 3-7 p.m. I also have two syndicated radio shows, "Behind The Hits"(same name as a book I co-wrote in the '80s) and"Keepin' The '70s Alive" which are heard nationwide (pun on old 13Q owners intended). I have many many fond memories of Pittsburgh and 13Q, and all the people who helped with my career: Crazy D, Dave Goodrich (The Doctor of Rock -&- Roll), Broadway Joe, Charlie Apple, Henry DeLuca, Joe Rock and many more. Give them my best! ... Don Bombard (Bob Shannon) (5/21/98) (if you are ever in New York check him out on 101, CBS-FM . . . Jeff)
"Wouldn't it be a kick if some station in Pittsburgh would bring back the 13Q jocks for a reunion. It is the 25th anniversary of the station's debut. As far as I know Pittsburgh has never had a jock reunion. Sadly, some of the important KQV jocks from the '60s are gone but I'll bet the old 13Q guys could still rock! ... Vic Sera (5/22/98)
My Top 10 Memories of 13Q!!
Making the turn from I-90 to I-79 south in Erie on my very first visit
to Pittsburgh...with "Also Sprach Zarathustra" playing on the radio. (The
irony of it all).
I could write forever...it was a fun place. One of those convergences of great people, interesting characters and a bunch of tough fighters. Thanks to Blake Lawrence for the nice comments ... truth is the FM's were (in 77) already into our shorts so far that we never could have survived. Then we had nighttime interference from a station in Toronto..that was hurting us more.
Glad to know,tho that even as a reincarnated WJAS, the station is still strong, and still cookin along." . . . Dave Mason OM WKRC/WSAI/WCKY Cincinnati (3/12/98)
"Mark..don't know if we ever met, but you couldn't be more accurate. After hearing the great stories about things like the "Funeral For A Friend" bit when the station moved from The Kossman Bldg. to Greentree ... the Cox banner contests, hearing the Jackson Armstrong Cash Call (Bootleg Top 40)..etc. It was a real treat to go to work there. All too soon we all realized that there were problems. But we kept fighting to keep that baby alive...in spite of itself. Good stuff.
Hello, and bless you for remembering one of the most special stations and airstaffs ever in one place at several times! I was fortunate to briefly be a part of the insanity as an all-night jock in early 1977, and fondly recall the great people in Pittsburgh and the thrill of 13Q! My air name in Pittsburgh was "Bob Gray", and following 13Q, I returned to Memphis as. I am still on the air at Classic Hits station Star98. I look forward to hearing more from the staffers and listeners as they discover the site. Thanks again ... Rob Grayson
"Hi Jeff, Great idea...love seeing the old 13-Q logo's. I came to 13-Q in 1975...came up from 13-Q's sister station Y-100 in Miami. Was immediately struck by how friendly the Pittsburgers were. My jobs at the Q were morning drive newsman and music director ... both jobs at the same time! It was the last days of AM radio. To avoid interference with distant stations 13-Q had to lower it's power at nite and in the early morning hours. We had trouble picking the station up at the studios during those low power times. Guess that's why, in 13-Qs early days, PD Buzz Bennett, "accidently" drove a truck into the station directional array so 13-Q would have to get emergency FCC approval to stay on Full Power until repairs could be made. I'll never forget Pittsburgh Steeler Terry Bradshaw comin' to the station in the mornings to be on our morning show with Tanner In The Morning. Also 13-Q was one of the last stations to have studio engineers. So whenever you played a recorded phone bit you had to have the engineer record and play back the call on cue.
There were some great music stories too... like the mafia guys who used to come by. representing ABC Records. Two big thugs in pinstripe suits... they never smiled... threatened to break peoples legs if we didn't play their tunes! (we didn't) And we had a big local Pittsburgh group at the time... called DIAMOND RIO, whose songs we played. (no relation to the country group by the same name). Some really excellent record people were in Pittsburgh, Tom Cossi, Leo "Of The North", Don George, Bruce Ravid, and many others... many of them based in Cleveland.
Our main competition was WPEZ-FM with Spikey The Pikie and WDVE FM (which always seemed to be playing a song by ELO!). So FM was already beginning to take over. Around the end of 1975 13-Q was being readied for sale... we all knew AM would not survive. They moved the station to some cheap studios and most of us got out... it was fun while it lasted!!" . . . Mark "In The Dark" Shands Portland, Oregon (3/12/98)